Text from a public conversation between Sammy Baloji (artist), Philip Van den Bossche (director Mu.ZEE, Ostend, Belgium) and Patricia Van Schuylenbergh (historian, History and Politics Unit, Royal Museum for Central Africa, Tervuren, Belgium), around the exhibition "Hunting and Collecting" held at the Mu.ZEE in Ostend (from 3 August to 21 September 2014). The conversation took place during the "Karawane" lecture cycle at the Ecole de recherche graphique (ERG)in Brussel, on 2 October 2014. This programme of lectures and discussions, coordinated by Lotte Arndt, went hand-in-hand with the preparation of the "Personne et les autres" pavilion, which the artist Vincent Meessen and the exhibition curator Katerina Gregos devised for the 56th Venice Biennale.